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Group No. 145


J. The wise and the foolish

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J2200 – J2259

Group name

Absurd lack of logic


J2200. J2200. Absurd lack of logic – general. Missouri French: Carrière.
J2210. J2210. Logical absurdity based upon certain false assumptions.
J2211. J2211. Differences in animal nature overlooked. India: Thompson-Balys.
J2211.1. J2211.1. Frogs reprove ass for lamenting when he falls into morass. “What would you do if you had to live here always?” Wienert FFC LVI 56 (ET 163), 90 (ST 30); Halm Aesop No. 327.
J2211.2. J2211.2. Why the sow was muddy. A magpie is punished by his master, who throws him into a mud puddle. The magpie sees a muddy sow. He says, “You also must have had a quarrel with your master.” Pauli (ed. Bolte) No. 669; U.S.: Baughman.
J2211.3. J2211.3. The murderous master. Dogs flee from their master because in time of famine he has killed his cattle. If he kills the cattle, he will surely kill the dogs. Wienert FFC LVI 73 (ET 377), 106 (ST 189); Halm Aesop No. 95.
J2211.4. J2211.4. Ass brays on hearing a conch shell. Owner thinks he must have been a saint in a former life. India: Thompson-Balys.
J2212. J2212. Effects of age and size absurdly applied.
J2212.1. J2212.1. Two fifteen-year old slaves ordered: fool brings one thirty years old. Clouston Noodles 4.
J2212.1.1. J2212.1.1. Priest to have maid at least fifty years old: gets one aged twenty and one aged thirty. Nouvelles Récréations No. 34; India: Thompson-Balys.
J2212.2. J2212.2. Burial in old grave to deceive angel. Fool thinks that the angel who comes to question him will pass him by since he has apparently been dead a long time. Wesselski Hodscha Nasreddin I 210 No. 22.
J2212.3. J2212.3. Wooden anchor would hold if it were only large, thinks the fool. Type 1277**.
J2212.4. J2212.4. The reef is old, the ship new. They think the vessel will endure the shocks better than the reef. Type 1277*.
J2212.5. J2212.5. Swift when only a calf. A numskull who rides an ox to a tournament is ridiculed. He says, “He is swifter than a horse. You should have seen him run when he was only a calf.” Wesselski Hodscha Nasreddin I 228 No. 73.
J2212.6. J2212.6. The Zodiac grows up: the Kid becomes the Goat. A fool who was born under the sign of the Kid declares that he was born under the Goat. “Hasn‘t it had time in these fifty years to become a goat?” Wesselski Hodscha Nasreddin I 235 No. 105.
J2212.7. J2212.7. Boat expected to grow into ship. Christensen DF XLVII 189 No. 15.
J2212.8. J2212.8. Peasant no longer wants a horse since the new born foal is so heavy to carry. India: Thompson-Balys.
J2212.9. J2212.9. Our children know local road; odd that grown stranger does not. French: Irwin Verville No. 210.
J2213. J2213. Illogical use of numbers.
J2213.1. J2213.1. Each of two persons wants to sleep in the middle. (Sometimes solved by placing an object on one side of the bed.) Type 1289; Africa (Ila, Rhodesia): Smith and Dale II 416 No. 15.
J2213.2. J2213.2. A profitable fight: three for one! A priest boasts of his profitable fight with the peasants, where he has received three blows for every one given. *Wesselski Bebel I 173 No. 11.
J2213.3. J2213.3. The seventh cake satisfies. Fool regrets that he had not eaten number seven first since that was the one that brought satisfaction. *Von der Leyen Das Märchen 78 and Herrigs Archiv CXIV 20 n. 2; India: Thompson-Balys.
J2213.4. J2213.4. If the horse can pull one load he can pull two. *Type 1242; Christensen DF XLVII 224 No. 86.
J2213.5. J2213.5. Twenty better than ten. A numskull is asked how many daily prayers (Moslem) there are. “Twenty.” – “There are only four.” – “I said that there are twenty; that is even better.” *Wesselski Hodscha Nasreddin I 261 No. 222.
J2213.5.1. J2213.5.1. More than twenty commandments. Numskull asked the number of commandments replies that there are twenty. He explains to another that he knows there must be more than twenty because the minister would not accept his answer. Scotland: Baughman.
J2213.6. J2213.6. Selling his half of the house. A man owns half a house. He wants to sell his half so as to get money to buy the other half and thus have a whole house. Wesselski Hodscha Nasreddin I 282 No. 336.
J2213.7. J2213.7. Dentist duped to pull out two teeth for one because of the expensiveness. Christensen DF XLVII 205.
J2213.8. J2213.8. Man prefers small oysters, since he will get more to the hundred. England: Baughman.
J2213.9. J2213.9. Numskull finds that one feather makes a hard pillow, thinks a sackful would be unbearable. Canada: Baughman.
J2214. J2214. Absurd generalization from a particular incident. U.S., England: *Baughman.
J2214.1. J2214.1. Peas will burn. Fool warns those who ride through a field of peas. “You will burn your horses’ feet. I burned my mouth with hot peas the other day.” Clouston Noodles 77; French: Irwin Verville No. 83.
J2214.2. J2214.2. Conclusion: youth and age are alike. Reason: he tried in vain as a youth to lift a certain stone; he has also tried in vain as an old man. Wesselski Hodscha Nasreddin I 265 No. 240.
J2214.3. J2214.3. Waiting at the well for the thief. A thief has stolen a salted cheese. Since one always goes to the well after eating salted cheese, the thief will also come. *Wesselski Hodscha Nasreddin I 243 No. 128.
J2214.3.1. J2214.3.1. Waiting in the graveyard for the thief. He must eventually come here. Wesselski Hodscha Nasreddin I 243 No. 128.
J2214.3.2. J2214.3.2. Waiting for the thief to return for the bolster. After the cover is stolen, the numskulls conclude that the thief will certainly return for the bolster. Clouston Noodles 14.
J2214.3.3. J2214.3.3. Waiting for the thieves to return for invoice of goods stolen. India: Thompson-Balys.
J2214.4. J2214.4. Human milk as best diet (for baby). Fool therefore will take nothing but milk from his wife and starves the baby. India: *Thompson-Balys.
J2214.5. J2214.5. Man is servant of the animals (for he supplies feed for them). Fish so reason. India: Thompson-Balys.
J2214.6. J2214.6. Men must have been calves once (for they are fond of milk). Fish so reason. (Cf. B233.1.) India: Thompson-Balys.
J2214.7. J2214.7. Oil is cheap (or spilling oil is good luck). Man hearing this breaks oil vessels. India: *Thompson-Balys.
J2214.8. J2214.8. Fool carries his wife to the remedy instead of the opposite. India: Thompson-Balys.
J2214.9. J2214.9. Dipping into cold water to cure fever, since hot iron is so cooled. India: *Thompson-Balys.
J2214.10. J2214.10. Starving colt fierce from hunger, but fool refuses to feed it lest it become fiercer. India: Thompson-Balys.
J2214.11. J2214.11. England must be full of widows. So concludes widow‘s daughter, who makes her living by spinning, when she sees so much warm goods from England. India: Thompson-Balys.
J2214.12. J2214.12. False judgment of distance in clear atmosphere of mountain area. Canada: Baughman.
J2214.12.1. J2214.12.1. Newcomer undresses to swim a five-foot stream. He has walked all morning toward a mountain that seems only five miles away, but which is actually sixty miles from his starting point. Canada, U.S.: *Baughman.
J2215. J2215. Absurd reasoning about God.
J2215.1. J2215.1. God’s wastefulness. A man is robbed and later the same day is given much money. He complains to God, “What was the use of taking from me what you were going to give back to me after stealing from another?” Wesselski Hodscha Nasreddin I 212 No. 34.
J2215.2. J2215.2. The servant of God beaten. A man who says that he is the servant of so and so is treated with great consideration. His companion, who says that he is a servant of God is put to work. He cannot understand why God‘s servant should not be more important than the other. *Wesselski Hodscha Nasreddin I 249 No. 162.
J2215.3. J2215.3. Man honored above God: the dead hen. A fool finds a dead hen and cooks it and serves it for dinner. When reproached he says “How should it be unclean when God has killed it instead of men?” Wesselski Hodscha Nasreddin I 270 No. 273.
J2215.4. J2215.4. Fool waits for God to provide. Nearly starves. India: Thompson-Balys.
J2215.4.1. J2215.4.1. God blamed for scarcity of food. India: Thompson-Balys.
J2215.5. J2215.5. God blamed for heavy rain. Since he is an old man he should have known that more rain was unwelcome. India: Thompson-Balys.
J2215.6. J2215.6. God blamed for letting pumpkin vines produce larger fruit than nut trees. India: Thompson-Balys.
J2216. J2216. Poor man thinks idol in temple is poorer than he since it is naked. India: Thompson-Balys.
J2217. J2217. Many times the superlative.
J2217.1. J2217.1. Man says: “That’s the best horse in all England, but I have one in my stable worth ten of him. (Cf. J1743.1.) England: Baughman.
J2217.2. J2217.2. Man is describing lakes. ”One is bottomless; the other is deeper than that.“ England: Baughman.
J2220. J2220. Other logical absurdities.
J2221. J2221. How does he know? A rustic refuses to believe reports about hell from a priest who has not been there. Herbert III 82.
J2222. J2222. The inconvenience of having a father: The numskull to his father: ”If you had never been born I would get my grandfather‘s estate.“ Clouston Noodles 4.
J2223. J2223. The thief as discoverer. The fool lies still as the thief enters the house, hoping that the thief may find something so that he can take it back from the thief. *Wesselski Hodscha Nasreddin I 231 No. 83, Mönchslatein 170 No. 134.
J2223.1. J2223.1. Robbed man blames thief for not warning him so that he could have witnesses to the theft. India: Thompson-Balys.
J2224. J2224. Taking the seed out at night. Numskull plants seed in daytime and takes it out at night. ”Man must guard his treasures“ (or ”Growing in the daytime is enough“). Wesselski Hodscha Nasreddin I 245 No. 139.
J2225. J2225. Three reasons for not giving alms. (1) Student has only one eye: Aristotle says to beware of those whom nature has marked. (2) Student comes from Bremen: no one of consequence comes from there. (3) His name is Nicholas: no one with that name can succeed. Pauli (ed. Bolte) No. 611; cf. Type 1661.
J2226. J2226. Learn to swim before going into the water. Type 1293; Russian: Andrejev No. 1292*.
J2227. J2227. Let them eat cake. The queen has been told that the peasants have no bread. Type 1446*; Bolte Montanus 601 No. 48.
J2227.1. J2227.1. King ignorant of famine says the people can live on pulse (sugar) and rice. India: Thompson-Balys.
J2228. J2228. Loss of eating contest because of weak legs. The sheep thinks that that is the reason for loss of the contest. Type 203*; Russian: Andrejev No. 203.
J2231. J2231. Why can‘t we have holidays the year round? *Wesselski Hodscha Nasreddin I 222 No. 56.
J2232. J2232. Imitation and the real pig. Imitator of the pig’s cries applauded. Fool brings real pig but fails. Wienert FFC LVI 84 (ET 510), 119 (ST 291); Jacobs Aesop 220 No. 80.
J2233. J2233. Logically absurd defenses. Thief brought to judgment for breaking into house blames mason for building poor house. Mason blames maker of mortar, who blames potter, who blames pretty woman who diverted his attention. She blames goldsmith who caused her to go for her earrings. Goldsmith has no one to blame but he is too old to make a good execution. Hence a shopkeeper across the way is convicted. Clouston Noodles 87; *Wesselski Hessische Blätter f. Vksk. XXXII 23; India: *Thompson-Balys.
J2233.1. J2233.1. Innocent man executed because his neck fits the noose (or the like). India: *Thompson-Balys.
J2233.1.1. J2233.1.1. Men hang old bedridden weaver instead of young, valuable member of colony after the young man has accidentally killed an Indian. The Indian tribe demands punishment. U.S.: Baughman.
J2234. J2234. ”Is that you or your brother?“ Clouston Noodles 12; Nouvelles Récréations No. 71; Christensen DF XLVII 224 No. 87; England, Scotland: Baughman.
J2235. J2235. Would have shot himself. Fool shoots full of holes a garment left out at night to dry. ”It is a good thing I did not have it on or I would have shot myself.“ Clouston Noodles 90; *Wesselski Hodscha Nasreddin I 230 No. 79.
J2236. J2236. Only fault with the house. The latrine is too small for the dining room table to go in. Wesselski Hodscha Nasreddin I 282 No. 334.
J2237. J2237. The bathroom in the minaret. The fool can sing in the small bathroom but cannot be heard from the minaret. He wants a bathroom built on the minaret so that his voice will carry. Wesselski Hodscha Nasreddin I 206 No. 4.
J2238. J2238. Book gives wisdom. A man believes himself wise because he has a book which he uses but does not understand. Chauvin II 82 No. 3; B[ö]dker Exempler 273 No. 3; Spanish Exempla: Keller.
J2241. J2241. The doctor no longer needed. As the fool starts for the doctor the wife changes her mind. He continues to the doctor so as to tell him about it and to say that now he need not come. *Wesselski Hodscha Nasreddin II 233 No. 456.
J2241.1. J2241.1. Useless trip to find a name the wife already knew. Fool goes to astrologer for child‘s name, but forgets it on way home. Later wife happens to use the word and reminds him. But he cannot see the use of the trip when she already knew this word. India: Thompson-Balys.
J2241.2. J2241.2. Servant sent to doctor finds trip futile. Doctor may not be in and, if he is there, he may not give the medicine. He may give the medicine but it may not have any effect; or, if it does have any, he has to die someday anyway and the medicine will not prevent him from dying. India: Thompson-Balys.
J2242. J2242. Carrying his own message. A man who is away from home writes a letter to his wife but can find no messenger. He delivers the letter himself and then goes on back to where he has been. *Wesselski Hodscha Nasreddin II 233 No. 456.
J2242.1. J2242.1. Scribe cannot write a letter because he has bad leg. Must carry letter in person since no one else can read it. India: Thompson-Balys.
J2242.2. J2242.2. Fool writes letter very slowly: recipient cannot read fast. U.S.: *Baughman.
J2243. J2243. Fool sleeps so as to avoid idleness. Clouston Noodles 78.
J2244. J2244. Climb down as you climb up. A peasant falls out of a tree. A neighbor advises him not to climb trees. Another suggests that he always climb down a tree with the same skill and rapidity that he climbed up. Bolte Frey 222 No. 18; Italian Novella: Rotunda.
J2245. J2245. Every fruit tasted. Fool tastes every piece of fruit before giving it to his master. Penzer V 94; Chauvin VII 115.
J2254. J2254. Fools reprove each other for speaking at prayers. They speak while doing so. India: Thompson-Balys.
J2255. J2255. Preliminary drawing of swords. Travelers say they will not have time to do so when attacked. India: Thompson-Balys.
J2258. J2258. Boy cannot read a book written with smaller letters than those he was reading at school. India: Thompson-Balys.

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